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Celine Nguyen's avatar

I really appreciated reading this. You touch on so many good points—I just want to emphasize two in particular, regarding the impact of trans-exclusionary politics on women's rights overall.

First, regarding trans-inclusive politics and safety ("Research has consistently shown no link between trans inclusive policies and a decline in safety in toilets or changing rooms"). Anecdotally, the one time I've heard of someone being bullied out of a bathroom, it was a friend's partner who was assigned female at birth but presented in a more transmasculine way. In theory, this is exactly the kind of person that gender-critical feminists claim to support (and supposedly want to protect from being preyed upon in bathrooms). In practice it is dehumanizing to supervise whether someone's gender presentation is sufficiently feminine to enter a bathroom, and it isn't protective at all. I'm a cis woman and I certainly don't feel that level of supervision and paranoia is doing anything for me.

Second, I really agree with the point Shon Faye raised about how "woman" is not an undifferentiated, uncomplicated category. There are real and essential points of contestation between, say, heterosexual women and queer women; or between white women and non-white women. I am truly grateful that feminist principles have provided an umbrella of solidarity between me and other women; I've also had situations where I had to point out a racist comment that an otherwise-thoughtful white woman made to me, and situations where I was also gently corrected on my lack of awareness on class issues especially (I grew up upper middle class in the US). The most promising vision of feminism to me is one where solidarity is actively maintained through dialogue, and we actively talk about different visions of womanhood and identity in order to bridge the gaps of our individual experiences. So I'm really troubled by the idea that there is an easy way to say, all women experience X, no women experience Y…the real world is just so much more complicated than that.

Nicholas Gruen's avatar

You head directly for the areas of maximal ideological disagreement. So trans activists want to say that trans women are women and the gender critical feminists want to say they're not. Well that's a problem, but I can't really solve it and I'm not very interested in it - good for posturing by both left and right, but not good for solving social problems in constructive ways.

Slogan-based handling of difficult edge cases just hands the terrain over to the right. Should a person born and having gone through puberty a man and convicted of various sex offences be held in a women's prison? Should it occur if the women in the said prison don't want it to happen and if not why not? Or should trans women have a 'right' to compete in women's sports. It's not much use appealing to 'rights' in this situation, especially if they then default to self-identification. There are difficult concrete problems to solve. How would you solve them?

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